Blinding Flash/Blind - Confused - Guild Wars Forums

Tutis Evito · Sep 19, 2007, 12:11 PM // 12:11

Ok, I'll make this short and sweet.

I was down in the cathedral of flames h/h'ing it, which is easy enough, as we all know there are some shock phamtons that enjoy using blinding flash. Im playing ranger, I have BHA as me elite skill and i pop it off, as we know it has a slower flight time so there i am with my longbow, i pop it off, its 3/4 way through its flight and blinding flash is cast. Now i am blind, fair enough i thought, i popped my shot off before i was blinded, shouldnt be a problem....how i was wrong, it seems becasue i was blinded before the arrow hit it classed me as blind so therefore i i missed.

I was confused as when i popped the shot i could see the target clearly so how one earth could i miss? I know BHA can be 'dodged' but the target was stationary so im putting this down to game mechanics and the fact that i was blinded before the shot hit.

This needs to be chnage me thinks

Crom The Pale · Sep 19, 2007, 12:22 PM // 12:22

If this happened exactly as you state, then yes its a flaw.

It would make no more sense then an ele casting fireball,but being hexed with backfire and taking damage after the spell is cast but before impact.

However there is a slim chance the Shock Phantom was using another skill to avoid being hit, an enchantment or stance. Or a priest in the area cast Aegis or Reversal of damage.

Tutis Evito · Sep 19, 2007, 12:35 PM // 12:35

It wasnt Reversal of damage as i took no dmg myself, plus there was no healing/prot monks there, i will have to test this out, but im pretty sure it has something to do with the game mechanics.

Savio · Sep 19, 2007, 01:46 PM // 13:46

The game checks for blind when the arrow hits, not when it is fired.

[wiki]Blind[/wiki]

Tutis Evito · Sep 19, 2007, 01:52 PM // 13:52

Thats pretty retarded... It would go something like

Oh theres my target, i can see him clearly *twang* goes the bow string, arrow flys out *crack* 'blinding flash' i cannot see so now my shot which i fired when i could see missed....

dargon · Sep 19, 2007, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Just send in your henchmen / heroes first, wait a second or two and the BHA the mob.

HawkofStorms · Sep 19, 2007, 07:02 PM // 19:02

It works exactly as it is intended. All arrow affects are calculated when they strike.

For example, if you fire an arrow with apply poison using a vampiric bow and then switch to a poisounous bow right before the arrow hits, the hit will not give you +5 health and the foe will suffer from poison for 33% longer.

@Crom_The_Pale this is not a "flaw" as the game works exactly as intended. Although it is illogical, it is how the game was designed. There are lots of things illogical about a video game. Don't think about it too hard.

TwinRaven · Sep 19, 2007, 09:05 PM // 21:05

...other possible factor: lag. I've run past a foe, struck another, then found myself body-blocked and dead....killed by the foe I ran past a few seconds ago.

So....you fired the shot and saw it before the flash, but the flash happened first...lag causing the inconsistency of time.

Also, the game cheats. AI for mobs has certain built-in cheat systems that allows the AI to "predict" things it shouldn't....see through walls, extend the aggro bubble, etc...programmers do it to make the game react more efficiently/realistically...sometimes it becomes apparent and you catch it cheating...programmers try to hide this, but sometimes it causes a wtf? moment. It isn't there to "cheat" is the sense that it wants to win, but to create a more lifelike gaming environment. Sucks when you see it...like watching a movie and catching a glimpse of the boom mic dropping into the shot (ruins the suspension of disbelief).

Savio · Sep 19, 2007, 09:20 PM // 21:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

It works exactly as it is intended.

I wouldn't say that the current mechanic is how it's intended to be, but it's always worked that way.

Coloneh · Sep 20, 2007, 01:04 AM // 01:04

old news. its always been like that.

Sep 19, 2007, 12:11 PM // 12:11	#1
Tutis Evito Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: England,UK Guild: Incredible Edible Bookah [YUM] Profession: R/	Blinding Flash/Blind - Confused Ok, I'll make this short and sweet. I was down in the cathedral of flames h/h'ing it, which is easy enough, as we all know there are some shock phamtons that enjoy using blinding flash. Im playing ranger, I have BHA as me elite skill and i pop it off, as we know it has a slower flight time so there i am with my longbow, i pop it off, its 3/4 way through its flight and blinding flash is cast. Now i am blind, fair enough i thought, i popped my shot off before i was blinded, shouldnt be a problem....how i was wrong, it seems becasue i was blinded before the arrow hit it classed me as blind so therefore i i missed. I was confused as when i popped the shot i could see the target clearly so how one earth could i miss? I know BHA can be 'dodged' but the target was stationary so im putting this down to game mechanics and the fact that i was blinded before the shot hit. This needs to be chnage me thinks

Sep 19, 2007, 01:46 PM // 13:46	#4
Savio Teenager with attitude Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	The game checks for blind when the arrow hits, not when it is fired. [wiki]Blind[/wiki] __________________ People are stupid.

Sep 19, 2007, 09:05 PM // 21:05	#8
TwinRaven Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Profession: W/	...other possible factor: lag. I've run past a foe, struck another, then found myself body-blocked and dead....killed by the foe I ran past a few seconds ago. So....you fired the shot and saw it before the flash, but the flash happened first...lag causing the inconsistency of time. Also, the game cheats. AI for mobs has certain built-in cheat systems that allows the AI to "predict" things it shouldn't....see through walls, extend the aggro bubble, etc...programmers do it to make the game react more efficiently/realistically...sometimes it becomes apparent and you catch it cheating...programmers try to hide this, but sometimes it causes a wtf? moment. It isn't there to "cheat" is the sense that it wants to win, but to create a more lifelike gaming environment. Sucks when you see it...like watching a movie and catching a glimpse of the boom mic dropping into the shot (ruins the suspension of disbelief). Last edited by TwinRaven; Sep 19, 2007 at 09:08 PM // 21:08..

Sep 19, 2007, 12:22 PM // 12:22	#2
Crom The Pale Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Ageis Ascending Profession: W/	If this happened exactly as you state, then yes its a flaw. It would make no more sense then an ele casting fireball,but being hexed with backfire and taking damage after the spell is cast but before impact. However there is a slim chance the Shock Phantom was using another skill to avoid being hit, an enchantment or stance. Or a priest in the area cast Aegis or Reversal of damage.

Sep 19, 2007, 12:35 PM // 12:35	#3
Tutis Evito Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: England,UK Guild: Incredible Edible Bookah [YUM] Profession: R/	It wasnt Reversal of damage as i took no dmg myself, plus there was no healing/prot monks there, i will have to test this out, but im pretty sure it has something to do with the game mechanics.

Sep 19, 2007, 01:52 PM // 13:52	#5
Tutis Evito Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: England,UK Guild: Incredible Edible Bookah [YUM] Profession: R/	Thats pretty retarded... It would go something like Oh theres my target, i can see him clearly twang goes the bow string, arrow flys out crack 'blinding flash' i cannot see so now my shot which i fired when i could see missed....

Sep 19, 2007, 02:50 PM // 14:50	#6
dargon Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Seraphim Knights [TSK] Profession: R/	Just send in your henchmen / heroes first, wait a second or two and the BHA the mob.

Sep 19, 2007, 07:02 PM // 19:02	#7
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	It works exactly as it is intended. All arrow affects are calculated when they strike. For example, if you fire an arrow with apply poison using a vampiric bow and then switch to a poisounous bow right before the arrow hits, the hit will not give you +5 health and the foe will suffer from poison for 33% longer. @Crom_The_Pale this is not a "flaw" as the game works exactly as intended. Although it is illogical, it is how the game was designed. There are lots of things illogical about a video game. Don't think about it too hard.

Sep 20, 2007, 01:04 AM // 01:04	#10
Coloneh Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: D/W	old news. its always been like that.